Podcast Episode 97: Christine Pride and Jo Piazza (Authors of We Are Not Like Them)

Christine Pride and Jo Piazza - We Are Not Like Them


In Episode 97, Christine Pride and Jo Piazza share how their co-authored novel, We Are Not Like Them, explores how hard it is to have conversations about difficult topics even between dear friends.  We discuss why they decided to write a book with a lifelong, interracial friendship at its core, and how they handled collaborating on a book with a plot revolving around a fraught topic.

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  • How Christine and Jo met and began their professional relationship.
  • Who had the initial idea for We Are Not Like Them.
  • How they decided to go from an editor/writer relationship to co-writing and what that looked like for them.
  • Why it was important to work collaboratively on both main characters.
  • Christine’s and Jo’s own challenges while working on this novel.
  • How they handled “creative friction” when it arose.
  • How the discussions around character development opened up how they had to consider race on the page.
  • How their own personal experiences and perspectives informed both characters.
  • They share some key thoughts to having these important conversations.
  • The reactions from both Black and white readers.

Christine’s and Jo’s Book Recommendations [32:55]

Two OLD Books They Love

Two NEW Books They Love

Other Books Mentioned:
Everything Happens for a Reason by Kate Bowler [38:13]
Fates and Furies by Lauren Groff [42:01]
Bonus Pick: Three Girls from Bronzeville by Dawn Turner [42:42]

Two Books They DIDN’T LOVE

Other Books Mentioned:
The Paper Palace by Miranda Cowley Heller [48:18]
Special Topics in Calamity Physics by Marisha Pessl [48:20]
Where the Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens [49:53]

Two NEW RELEASES They’re Excited About

Other Books Mentioned:
56 Days by Catherine Ryan Howard [53:51]
Voices from the Pandemic by Eli Saslow [54:02]

Last 5 Star Books They Read

Other Book Mentioned

About the Authors

Christine Pride and Jo PiazzaChristine Pride
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Christine Pride is a writer, editor, and longtime publishing veteran. She’s held editorial posts at many different trade imprints, including Doubleday, Broadway, Crown, Hyperion, and Simon & Schuster. As an editor, Christine has published a range of books, with a special emphasis on inspirational stories and memoirs, including numerous New York Times bestsellers. As a freelance editorial consultant, she does select editing and proposal/content development, as well as teaching and coaching, and pens a regular column—“Race Matters”—for Cup of Jo.  She lives in New York City.

Jo Piazza
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Jo Piazza is an award-winning journalist, editor, and podcast host. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, Marie ClaireGlamour, and other notable publications. She is also the author of Charlotte Walsh Likes to WinHow to Be MarriedThe KnockoffFitness Junkie, and If Nuns Ruled the World. She lives in Philadelphia with her husband and two small children.

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In two weeks (November 10), I will be back with the co-founders of The Book & Cover (@TheBookAndCover), a brand-new bookstore in Chattanooga, Tennessee, to talk about what it’s like to open a new indie bookstore.  

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  1. karen wirth wrote:

    Loved the interview today! I just finished We Are Not Like Them Monday. What hasn’t been mentioned is the way the book eludes to systemic racism through the wall of silence at the police force. I thought that was very powerful.

    Posted 10.27.21 Reply
  2. Liz Dexter wrote:

    I really enjoyed this book and found a lot to think and talk about – an ideal book club read. I love all the recommendations here!

    Posted 10.27.21 Reply

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